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		<title>By: bumulpnusamonuri</title>
		<link>http://rashmisinha.com/2006/02/13/the-tag-cloud-replaces-the-basic-menu-is-this-a-good-idea/#comment-950</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ilewqkttlvpkjyjbwell, hi admin adn people nice forum indeed. how&#039;s life? hope it&#039;s introduce branch ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilewqkttlvpkjyjbwell, hi admin adn people nice forum indeed. how&#8217;s life? hope it&#8217;s introduce branch ;)</p>
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		<title>By: sugarman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think a good solution would be a tag cloud which dynamically updates when you click a tag, to show the weighting of related tags, and also with a bread crumb.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a good solution would be a tag cloud which dynamically updates when you click a tag, to show the weighting of related tags, and also with a bread crumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Mar 2006 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Hi Rashmi,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I noticed your question earlier :&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;But I wonder if there was ways of enhancing a perma-navigatoin with some tagcloud thinking. Could a menu have differing font-sizes based on how often something was being used. Are there other design improvements one can think of that borrow from tag-clouds?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Something like this was implemented in the UK some time ago by the BBC, though i&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s still the case. They had their front-page navigation split into panes by category, and categories that were clicked more often changed background colour.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So for example a pale beige background for the &quot;Sport&quot; section would gradually become a deeper brown or red over time, to indicate your preference for this category. It seems like a really good, and generally unobtrusive, way to indicate preferred choices.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rashmi,</p>
<p>I noticed your question earlier :</p>
<p>&#8220;But I wonder if there was ways of enhancing a perma-navigatoin with some tagcloud thinking. Could a menu have differing font-sizes based on how often something was being used. Are there other design improvements one can think of that borrow from tag-clouds?&#8221;</p>
<p>Something like this was implemented in the UK some time ago by the BBC, though i&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s still the case. They had their front-page navigation split into panes by category, and categories that were clicked more often changed background colour.</p>
<p>So for example a pale beige background for the &#8220;Sport&#8221; section would gradually become a deeper brown or red over time, to indicate your preference for this category. It seems like a really good, and generally unobtrusive, way to indicate preferred choices.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://rashmisinha.com/2006/02/13/the-tag-cloud-replaces-the-basic-menu-is-this-a-good-idea/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I simply do not find the cloud tags user friendly.  We all have time.  We do not have too much of it.  People do not have time to look at a screen of words.  I wish we had more time.  Most don&#039;t.  Those that do pretend that they don&#039;t have enough of it.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;difficult to use, navigate and generally figure out in six seconds.  nope.  It is not the wave of the future.  I like much of what the new collaborative web is doing, but this is not it.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply do not find the cloud tags user friendly.  We all have time.  We do not have too much of it.  People do not have time to look at a screen of words.  I wish we had more time.  Most don&#8217;t.  Those that do pretend that they don&#8217;t have enough of it.  </p>
<p>difficult to use, navigate and generally figure out in six seconds.  nope.  It is not the wave of the future.  I like much of what the new collaborative web is doing, but this is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: evano</title>
		<link>http://rashmisinha.com/2006/02/13/the-tag-cloud-replaces-the-basic-menu-is-this-a-good-idea/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure from Narendra&#039;s comment and from looking at the site itself if it really &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a tag cloud. It seems more like an illustration of a tag cloud, hence the dead links. However, I agree with Rashmi, that in this case, the limited dictionary of &quot;Web 2.0&quot; buzzwords gives a visitor an at-a-glance indication of what the company is about -- much more effectively than a mission statement or an &quot;About Us&quot; page could.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure from Narendra&#8217;s comment and from looking at the site itself if it really <em>is</em> a tag cloud. It seems more like an illustration of a tag cloud, hence the dead links. However, I agree with Rashmi, that in this case, the limited dictionary of &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; buzzwords gives a visitor an at-a-glance indication of what the company is about &#8212; much more effectively than a mission statement or an &#8220;About Us&#8221; page could.</p>
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		<title>By: joe lamantia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joe lamantia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;nice work: I&#039;ve been thinking about tagging recently as well, and just posted the first of two peices sharing some ideas on how &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joelamantia.com/blog/archives/ideas/tag_clouds_evolve_understanding_tag_clouds.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tag clouds may evolve&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;

&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice work: I&#8217;ve been thinking about tagging recently as well, and just posted the first of two peices sharing some ideas on how <a href="http://www.joelamantia.com/blog/archives/ideas/tag_clouds_evolve_understanding_tag_clouds.html" rel="nofollow">tag clouds may evolve</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michiel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michiel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I think tags can be useful (sites like del.icio.us prove that to me on a daily basis) but in a site menu? And is the relative size of a menu item driven by the amount of clicks, or some other mechanism?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In this particular instance I don&#039;t see the benefit, and I can see many potential drawbacks (negative feedback loops obscuring important menu items etc).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;After reading the designer&#039;s rather fuzzy comment I&#039;ve settled on &#039;riding the gravy train&#039; as primary motivation behind the design. But then again, I&#039;ve never liked marketeers, and having them meddle with your UI design is not the smartest move in my book. Have them think up the pretty colors, or fonts, or something :P&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think tags can be useful (sites like del.icio.us prove that to me on a daily basis) but in a site menu? And is the relative size of a menu item driven by the amount of clicks, or some other mechanism?</p>
<p>In this particular instance I don&#8217;t see the benefit, and I can see many potential drawbacks (negative feedback loops obscuring important menu items etc).</p>
<p>After reading the designer&#8217;s rather fuzzy comment I&#8217;ve settled on &#8216;riding the gravy train&#8217; as primary motivation behind the design. But then again, I&#8217;ve never liked marketeers, and having them meddle with your UI design is not the smartest move in my book. Have them think up the pretty colors, or fonts, or something :P</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://rashmisinha.com/2006/02/13/the-tag-cloud-replaces-the-basic-menu-is-this-a-good-idea/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure that cloud tags could ever replace formal navigation - for all the reasons that others have pointed out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m just experimenting with tags in my blogs (using Ultimate tag warrior with WordPress), and I&#039;m moving away from the sized options. I quite like the idea of tagging, though currently getting in a muddle between tagging &amp; categorising, which is another matter!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, tags clouds as navigation - possibly on sites that focus just on current interest, but in general, no thanks! &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that cloud tags could ever replace formal navigation &#8211; for all the reasons that others have pointed out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just experimenting with tags in my blogs (using Ultimate tag warrior with WordPress), and I&#8217;m moving away from the sized options. I quite like the idea of tagging, though currently getting in a muddle between tagging &#038; categorising, which is another matter!</p>
<p>However, tags clouds as navigation &#8211; possibly on sites that focus just on current interest, but in general, no thanks! </p>
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		<title>By: Klas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Klas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I am rather new (read: old fashioned) in regards of to the new fad - tag clouds. I get the concept and I understand it can be useful. But the times they actually have been useful to me are less than zero. Ok, I have used it some times but only in the spirits of voyerism &quot;Oh, look - this guy likes this too.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I certainly hope they will disappear since they take too much space and mostly afflict damage to the usability. &lt;br /&gt;
So, is it the future? Let&#039;s hope not.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am rather new (read: old fashioned) in regards of to the new fad &#8211; tag clouds. I get the concept and I understand it can be useful. But the times they actually have been useful to me are less than zero. Ok, I have used it some times but only in the spirits of voyerism &#8220;Oh, look &#8211; this guy likes this too.&#8221;</p>
<p>I certainly hope they will disappear since they take too much space and mostly afflict damage to the usability. <br />
So, is it the future? Let&#8217;s hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: leisa reichelt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[leisa reichelt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;ooh! I&#039;ve been thinking a bit about tag clouds lately and if/when they&#039;re useful. Glad to see you all talking about it here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I really like the idea of tag clouds in some respects. I like the serendipity that can occur when you happen upon a site and don&#039;t really know what you might want to explore. It really can open up the content on a site quite beautifully. But, how often is this the case? Only occasionally, I&#039;d wager.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, if you use tag clouds to facilitate this effect, then it only works to a certain scale. I was thinking about this when playing with the recently released GoogleCloud interface. When its capturing everyones search terms, its useless to me - when its just me and &#039;likeminded people&#039; it is interesting and useful. So, context is important.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with everyone who has said that a tag cloud doesn&#039;t work as the sole navigational system... the only exception to this might be something like Flickr, which is largely serendipitous I guess (although, its also augmented by powerful tag searching functionality).&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh! I&#8217;ve been thinking a bit about tag clouds lately and if/when they&#8217;re useful. Glad to see you all talking about it here.</p>
<p>I really like the idea of tag clouds in some respects. I like the serendipity that can occur when you happen upon a site and don&#8217;t really know what you might want to explore. It really can open up the content on a site quite beautifully. But, how often is this the case? Only occasionally, I&#8217;d wager.</p>
<p>Also, if you use tag clouds to facilitate this effect, then it only works to a certain scale. I was thinking about this when playing with the recently released GoogleCloud interface. When its capturing everyones search terms, its useless to me &#8211; when its just me and &#8216;likeminded people&#8217; it is interesting and useful. So, context is important.</p>
<p>I have to agree with everyone who has said that a tag cloud doesn&#8217;t work as the sole navigational system&#8230; the only exception to this might be something like Flickr, which is largely serendipitous I guess (although, its also augmented by powerful tag searching functionality).</p>
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